Well, having purchased a pair, I took them out Today on my local low water Ray mark (Deepish Estuary) didn't have any Ray, just doggies and spiders, but I did get a feel of them, good amount of power, quick recovery and a nice stiffish tip, there well made and I didn;t have any probs lifting out 2lb plus doggies, overall very impressed with them, even the reel seats gripped the blank solid without the need for any tape under them !